Money Matters Episode 313- Age Is Just a Number: Unlocking Life's Potential w/ Diane Gilman

Diane Gilman: Money Matters Podcast Interview

March 18, 2024 . 10:26 AM . ID: 331280837

Transcript

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This conference will now be recorded.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Today on Money Matters were diving into the extraordinary tale of Diane Gilman.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
The gene Queen herself, who has redefined the fashion industry and her own life by mastering the art of re-invention.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
As we age society often whispers it's time to slow down.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
But Diane's journey shouts a different truth from groundbreaking designs that resonate with every generation to transforming personal trials into triumph.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Dianne's story is a testament to the power of resilience and innovation at any age.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Join us as we explore how Diane Gilman turned her golden years into her most vibrant chapter yet.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Don't miss this episode.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
It's time to redefine what you thought was possible in the second act of life.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Diane, welcome, tum.

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Diane gilman
Hi, Chris, thank you.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
I am not.

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Diane gilman
Me.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Absolutely, I'm so excited to have you on this show.

00:59 - 01:09
Christopher Hensley, RICP®
You know, you had me recently on your new podcast, called Too Young to be Old, and I'd love, I really enjoyed that conversation.

01:09 - 01:18
Christopher Hensley, RICP®
I think we had a really good time there, and I extended the invite for you to be on on this show, and so I'm just super excited to introduce you to our guest here.

01:18 - 01:20
Christopher Hensley, RICP®
I want to just dive right into it.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
What?

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
What inspired you to start the too young to be old podcast?

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
And how does it reflect with your journey in the fashion industry?

01:32 - 01:50
Diane gilman
You know, 30 years on television and always telling my story, and I thought to myself, can I take those communication skills and do something a little less abusive to my body because the schedules for hotel retail?

01:51 - 02:01
Diane gilman
Arr, Insane, you're in the studio at 9 0 PM, you get out at three AM, You're back in the studio at eight AM, You work until midnight there.

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Diane gilman
So food, there, sell water, there's no restaurants around you.

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Diane gilman
There is no place to really relax, so I thought, you know, it's 78 years old, that's really pushing it.

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Diane gilman
Could I take my talent for speaking on air, and do something more inclusive for my age group?

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Diane gilman
And at the same time, I would like to talk about more than just one subject selling jeans, so I, I resigned, I walked away from 30 years on TV, and I thought, wow, I don't know, what am I gonna do with myself?

02:42 - 02:45
Diane gilman
Maybe no one's gonna want me within four weeks.

02:46 - 02:47
Diane gilman
I already had my.

02:47 - 02:48
Christopher Hensley, RICP®
First.

02:48 - 02:50
Diane gilman
Solid offer to co-host a podcast.

02:51 - 02:54
Diane gilman
I learned how to do it, and then I thought, You know what?

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Diane gilman
I'm gonna watch female anchors on MSNBC and CNN.

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Diane gilman
I'm going to see how they do, and I'm going to see how they handle guests.

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Diane gilman
I'm going to see how they ask their questions.

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Diane gilman
And no worse, a person to ask that politician who doesn't want an answer, so what do you do when you don't get the right answer?

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Diane gilman
How did you go back in there?

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Diane gilman
So I, I made a fun game out of it.

03:23 - 03:29
Diane gilman
I made kind of a science out of it and I, if I'm going to do something, I'm all in.

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Diane gilman
Yup, and I wanted to be highly professional.

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Diane gilman
So, I guess I'm just beginning to find my sea legs on that.

03:39 - 03:49
Diane gilman
Then I got an author to write into an international women's anthology book that's a really big deal and well premier in June.

03:50 - 03:56
Diane gilman
So, I'm writing part of my life story for that Got asked, right?

03:57 - 03:59
Diane gilman
A tree at treatment.

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Diane gilman
I think you call it a treatment for screenplay of my life that could be like lifetime.

04:07 - 04:13
Diane gilman
So I'm doing that and my friends all say, oh my God, you're exhausted in us.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Just.

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Diane gilman
Talking about is exhausting, but I find it exhilarating.

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Diane gilman
And I think what you have to do at a certain point in life after 55, certainly as you start to face.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Retirement.

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Diane gilman
Do you really want to just sit back and do nothing?

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Diane gilman
Do you want to have no voice?

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Diane gilman
Do?

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Diane gilman
I wanted a voice, I wanted activity, I wanted productivity, I wanted to leave a legacy.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
I love it, I love it.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
A lot of good stuff there for listeners.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
I mean, the idea that you're, you're finding your sea legs on the podcast.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
You seem like you've been doing it for years already.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
And I love the fact that, you know, anything that you go into, you're going all in and you, Well.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Yeah.

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Diane gilman
Can you started.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Listening to some of the styles of the Anchor Anchor women on, on shows, you, saw where they had to deal with some politicians?

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
And how difficult that that could be, you're doing.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
So much stuff right now your talk you talked about this anthology that's gonna be coming out, right?

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
The possible screenplay here.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
And so we will make sure to have notes to that in the podcast there but but I love the idea that you said you just Wanted to have a voice.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
It's really just just not stopping.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
And I think that's a good thing for our listeners to hear about.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
You talk about this in your book too young to be old, love, learn, work, and play as you age.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
What inspired you to write that?

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Diane gilman
Ageism, Look at the edges I'm against five.

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Diane gilman
Look at a guy that's and I don't want to bring in politics, full throttle, but here's a guy that has white hair.

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Diane gilman
Like me is older.

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Diane gilman
Like me, we're three years apart.

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Diane gilman
Is insistently criticized for his age.

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Diane gilman
When the guy gets him is just two years younger but dies his hair and uses a lot of makeup and no ages has no place in this society.

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Diane gilman
52% of America is over 55 years old.

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Diane gilman
We are officially a gray nation.

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Diane gilman
When you look at all our politicians, I think maybe one, 2% of them are below 45, maybe.

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Diane gilman
So, you almost have aged politicians', hating themselves and creating ageism.

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Diane gilman
And I hate that concept that well, if you're older, you must have lost your mind or you can't do anything big and sweeping any more or less.

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Diane gilman
So, my thing is fighting societal attitude, and it's a big battle and I'm beginning to see that there are other women out there that are devoting what I call your third act two dealing with just that.

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Diane gilman
And, um, you know, I find it, for myself, even.

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Diane gilman
I find that, I've, obviously, a PR agency that's behind me, and they'll go to pitch me, and a major news network will say, No, we don't want someone that old, She can't have anything to say.

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Diane gilman
So, that, kind of fuels my fire, and, if you think, to yourself, that, for instance, a good friend of mine, that I was on TV with, ..., lived to be 102, she was called the Accidental icon.

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Diane gilman
She had a huge, following, like Albert Million point two women.

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Diane gilman
She, really became famous, after the age, of 80, and that woman was just a Dynamo, and so, I think we have to all of us who care, who find this passion, re shape the attitudes towards growing older.

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Diane gilman
It's imperative half your population, people is gray haired.

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Diane gilman
And that should not equal negativity that should not equal shove, you aside, you know, I'm sure, in your own way, at some points, you must feel that yourself.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Oh, yeah.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
I mean, I, in the past year, or once Cove it started, I saw ageism, I work a lot with retirees and I saw that the people that they were volunteering voluntarily letting go during ...

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Were the people who had gray here who had the wisdom, who were income heavy.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
But at some.

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Diane gilman
Point.

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Diane gilman
Yeah.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Yeah, and you see it, but how do you it's very hard to prove, but it's statistics like I'd sit there and see it as it's happening and unfolding.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Very, very important thing that you just talked about.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
And that idea of fighting societal attitudes reshaping people's attitudes my grandmother's 96 years old.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
And she is still on Facebook.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
So, we know this.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
You shared that the lady that is 106, you know, we're right here in Women's History Month as well.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Reflecting on your fashion career in your personal challenges.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
What advice would you give to women about embracing change and adversity.

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Diane gilman
Woof?

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Wow.

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Diane gilman
I will say that, again, I try not to be political, but I don't like, I don't like it when you give me something I fight for, then you don't even have the courtesy.

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Diane gilman
Just say, Let's vote on it.

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Diane gilman
Let's make it a referendum.

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Diane gilman
We're just taking it away from you.

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Diane gilman
So my advice for women on international women's day was take a look.

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Diane gilman
If you are American, take a look at what's going on around you and ask yourself, Is this OK with you?

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Diane gilman
And if it isn't, there's one thing you do get out and vote.

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Diane gilman
Yeah, we all were out there marching around burning our brause in the seventies.

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Diane gilman
But we got something very valuable, and I will say, women and I did make this very, very clear in my podcast with a good place.

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Diane gilman
First of all, 80% of all single women are going to die at something close to poverty level because we're always told, some man is going to take care of your money for you.

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Diane gilman
There's never, there's never any initiative to see yourself as the commander in chief of your financial life.

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Diane gilman
Then again, the women that are still working only make 77% of what a man makes.

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Diane gilman
And then, again, you trust us to be 50% of the workforce, but you don't trust us with our own bodies.

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Diane gilman
I'm a little confused here.

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Diane gilman
I just want to get this straight.

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Diane gilman
I've got a lot of fun.

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Diane gilman
I had a lot of women saying, yes, yes, yes, but I had some women, then.

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Diane gilman
This made them very angry.

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Diane gilman
So there is within my generation, at least, I was raised that you didn't work unless you were like mentally ill or something.

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Diane gilman
So I guess I was mentally ill and you.

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Diane gilman
There would be a lot of people that would agree with me on that one.

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Diane gilman
And you just said a man handle your life.

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Diane gilman
And I used to think to myself, the thought of being married And going to a man and saying that, please tab.

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Diane gilman
My allowance for the week being a child, even as a child, I was working in a local fashion boutique at nine years old.

12:37 - 12:43
Diane gilman
Just, honestly, just seeing the shelves and sweeping the floor just to be around fashion.

12:43 - 12:49
Diane gilman
So, I had to go against my family to have a career in fashion.

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Diane gilman
I never got one dime of help.

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Diane gilman
I never asked.

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Diane gilman
I did it all on my own.

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Diane gilman
And, when I look back, I think to myself, even though I did it all on my own, every partner I sought out for whatever project it was, was a man, and those men were good at numbers.

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Diane gilman
I wasn't, I was the money generator.

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Diane gilman
They were the money collectors, and guess what, I never got what I was due until the very end, when I had very good legal representation.

13:26 - 13:38
Diane gilman
So, I think women tend to take a backseat to their own financial lives that's not a good thing.

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Diane gilman
In terms of fashion, I got into the fashion game.

13:44 - 13:58
Diane gilman
I just rock and roll stars in the sixties and seventies share, and Janis Joplin and Gracie Certain, the Jefferson Airplane, Sly, and The Family Stone, Jimi Hendrix.

13:58 - 14:06
Diane gilman
Rod Stewart, a lot of fun and they came to New York to be professional got discovered by Bloomingdale's and ....

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Diane gilman
But, I don't the women were anything more been an anomaly in the fashion industry, you know, when I grew up, and I was born in 19 45.

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Diane gilman
There actually were no apart from Coco Chanel, who was then banned from France for what?

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Diane gilman
25 30 years because of **** sympathies.

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Diane gilman
There were no female designers.

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Diane gilman
They were all men, like Christian Dior, Balenciaga, ...

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Diane gilman
Wrong.

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Diane gilman
And, uh, so I really grew up in a world where there were not very many opportunities for women.

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Diane gilman
You kind of got a break there and the clouds and the sun shone through a little bit in the sixties.

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Diane gilman
But even today, if you look at every large fashion house, done by man, not a woman.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Yeah.

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Diane gilman
Most of the designers in this day and age, our men, men for women's clothing.

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Diane gilman
Yeah.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
I think that's one of the things that comes out in the book is that you are a trailblazer in this space for that time, and you you shear you talk about that rebels spirit there.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
I'm gonna pivot and I'm going to talk about something here.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
I'm going to talk about tattoos.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
1 at 1 of my very first tattoos that I got was my buddy stole a bottle of Indian ink out of the art room and he gave me a gel house.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
To really, you know, I'm 49 and people are asked, What would you cover that up?

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
And I won't, because it has sentimental value to.

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Diane gilman
Me.

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Diane gilman
Yeah.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
You you start your book with a story about a tattoo.

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Diane gilman
Oh.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Can you share that story with listeners?

16:06 - 16:07
Diane gilman
Yeah.

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Diane gilman
So, I was like 19 years old.

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Diane gilman
I had to leave home at about 17.5 18 to Pursue my life, because my parents had a very different vision for me, where I was going to wind up €700 of £700 direct close living on a mattress in their basement.

16:27 - 16:30
Diane gilman
So, um, I just said.

16:31 - 16:36
Diane gilman
I've got a life to live, I know what I want to do I don't know how to do it, OK.

16:37 - 16:46
Diane gilman
So, at that time, I am maybe I was 20, I'm living in San Francisco.

16:47 - 16:59
Diane gilman
The music scene is crazy, I, Matt and Charted doing all kinds of Outrageous Denham for Janis Joplin.

16:59 - 17:14
Diane gilman
So, Janis Joplin has tattoos and she got her tattoos from a very famous guy who recently died, may he rest in peace, Lyle Tuttle they used for the illustrated math, right?

17:15 - 17:17
Diane gilman
While was tattooed head to toe.

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Diane gilman
I'm not going any further on that one, but trust me when I say Yes.

17:24 - 17:27
Diane gilman
And he was the wild man, totally.

17:27 - 17:37
Diane gilman
So Lyell had a tattoo parlor in the Tenderloin District over the bus terminal.

17:39 - 17:42
Diane gilman
And that's where all the ***** Angels, God tattooed.

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Diane gilman
Well, that's what Janice Scott Chat too.

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Diane gilman
So I wanted to get tattooed there.

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Diane gilman
And I dad, I got a little read beating heart with a drop of blood at the bottom, and Dragon Way, on my left breast.

18:01 - 18:06
Diane gilman
And then when I got breast cancer in 72, they said, sorry.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Ah.

18:07 - 18:10
Diane gilman
We can't say that they saved a little part of it.

18:11 - 18:23
Diane gilman
Not much To add to that, you know, when, when you're born, when I was in 19 45, there were very few choices for women, even in the way you looked.

18:24 - 18:31
Diane gilman
So, you looked like just a younger version of an older woman.

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Diane gilman
It was the same clothing, the same stupid hairdos.

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Diane gilman
This was freedom getting a tattoo.

18:40 - 18:45
Diane gilman
I remember my, somebody said to me, Oh, my God!

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Diane gilman
You're never going to be buried in a Jewish cemetery with a tag to inside.

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Diane gilman
I can level up L OK.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
It's.

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Diane gilman
Not, this is not shaking my world.

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Diane gilman
And it was crazy.

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Diane gilman
There were all these ****'s angels there, getting somebody.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
From.

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Diane gilman
Uh, one of the rock groups getting tagged too.

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Diane gilman
And then there was little me, and I love that tattoo, and I kept it with me all my life, until I had to give it up.

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Diane gilman
At the age of 72.

19:26 - 19:30
Christopher Hensley, RICP®
I really liked that story in the book, and that's the prolog.

19:30 - 19:36
Christopher Hensley, RICP®
So for listeners who want to find out more, this was a place that was recommended to her by Janis Joplin.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
The guy who tattooed, or was Lyle puddle the guy that's the illustrated man.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Ray Bradbury, the cover of the book, very famous tattoo for anybody who knows about that.

19:47 - 19:49
Christopher Hensley, RICP®
So very, very interesting story.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
I encourage people to to pick up the book.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
That's just the beginning of it.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
We're bumping right here towards the end of the show.

19:56 - 20:01
Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Diane, I have so much stuff I wanted to keep getting getting towards the end here.

20:02 - 20:07
Christopher Hensley, RICP®
What have I forgot to ask you that you'd like to share with Listeners' now?

20:08 - 20:22
Diane gilman
I just would, I think that the one thing I would like to say is I am now writing my third published P So, this is going to be an anthology books and it's called Women Who Thrive.

20:22 - 20:23
Diane gilman
It will be International.

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Diane gilman
It Will Premiere on Amazon in June.

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Diane gilman
There'll be whole bunches of publicity about it, but it's really fantastic.

20:36 - 20:42
Diane gilman
20 women from all over the world, each one of them talking about a crisis in their lives.

20:42 - 20:50
Diane gilman
And so I chose for my crisis And you know, if you live to be almost fairly like me, trust me that many.

20:50 - 21:03
Diane gilman
But I chose breast cancer and the one thing I would say and it is an overall theme in my book too young to be old and my podcast too young to build our tooth is one age.

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Diane gilman
It's all in your head.

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Diane gilman
Yeah, you may have to make a few adjustments.

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Diane gilman
In life, I can't run a marathon anymore, but I'll tell you what.

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Diane gilman
My mind goes a mile a minute and I've got so much left to contribute.

21:18 - 21:26
Diane gilman
Don't lett ageism, compress your life into a little dark box.

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Diane gilman
This is your time.

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Diane gilman
This is maybe your most precious time in life.

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Diane gilman
Feel free to speak up.

21:35 - 21:55
Diane gilman
Start podcasts, B, Instagram star, you know what, the social media world is a wild, Wild West, and part part of it is definitely about as gray haired influencers, SoFi one voice.

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Diane gilman
Speak up.

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Diane gilman
No one's shopping you, and certainly not at this age.

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Diane gilman
So I think my last piece of advice is, people can be talking in your ear all the time, they're always talking to me and say, I just don't understand why you're working.

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Diane gilman
You could be taking.

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Diane gilman
You could say, hey, quizzes, you want to hear your ideas if you want to help me with my ideas and what I want to do with the rest of my life.

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Diane gilman
But this time in life is legacy time.

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Diane gilman
And so many of us are taught, this is worthless.

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Diane gilman
Chime in live, throw it away, Nothing's gonna happen.

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Diane gilman
Nothing is going to get done.

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Diane gilman
Oh, so not, well, read my book too young to be old and that way you will know and I wish for all of you out there that you are always too young to be old.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
I love it.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
I love it, Diane.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
We're right here at the end of the show.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Thank you so much.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
I really enjoyed speaking with you, have a good rest of the day.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Listeners go out and get that book and read it fantastic story there.

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Diane gilman
Great, thank you so much and so so much fun.

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Diane gilman
We have so much time together, this is crazy.

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Diane gilman
I.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
Love it, I love it.

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Christopher Hensley, RICP®
I'm gonna.